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Ben Koan's avatar

Interesting take on territorialism, but your analysis of the Charedi position is missing an important point. Eastern European countries owe their current democracy and security in large part due to ethnic cleansing that resulted in relative homogeneity. Recall that, in addition to the destruction of European Jewry, millions of Germans were expelled from Eastern Europe after World War II.

You are correct that “The Jewish community in Hungary is the most safe and secure in Europe.” However, if Charedim would en masse immigrate to Hungary today, would it remain so safe and secure? Eastern Europe can accommodate tiny Jewish minorities, but the interwar period showed that it had no place for large, economically and politically dynamic Jewish populations of the kind we see in Israel and America.

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Unfortunately there may not be a "next time" that includes both the Jews who went for Zionism, non-Zionist Orthodox of the sort who live in Lakewood or Kiryas Yoel, and other Jews; this seems like a memetic speciation event akin to the Jew-Samaritan split, the Jew-Christian split, and the Jew-Karaite split. If Jews as currently identified are going to be recognizably a shared identity in a hundred years, it will probably be because we're the sorts of people Chabad is interested in.

Relatedly, I found your formulation of the disagreement between Territorialism and Zionism - whether a Jewish territory is a practical solution to the problem of persecution or a romantic ideal - helpful in making sense of why Territorialism wasn't going to work. On your description it does seem like territorialism was the rational approach to the object-level problem, but any movement with that level of ambition has to either construct some "we" capable of acting on such rational deliberations, or make use of a preexisting collective self-concept.

Territorialism as I understand it had nothing to offer for such a self-concept - it was simply assuming that Jews were collectively capable of responding to rational argument by taking appropriate actions. Territorialists don't seem to have thought that building that capacity was part of their job, so they failed. If we consider the real problem to be the construction of a new collective identity adequate to finding and exploiting opportunities to resettle Jews somewhere safer, Zionism was the theory that in the era of rising romantic nationalism, romantically idealizing a Jewish state was, itself, the best available pragmatic solution to the problem of the persecution of Jews in Europe.

As you point out in the comments, the Satmar (and I'd add the Jews who built a yeshiva in Waterbury, CT) are also capable of intelligent collective action, but have no particular interest in Jews who aren't trying to meet their other communal standards. So, if you're looking for the Jews who did territorialism the way you'd hoped, you can go to Waterbury or Lakewood or Kiryas Yoel and find them! it's just that there were lots of Jews who weren't participating in the sorts of Jewish communities that could take that sort of coordinated action to exploit available opportunities.

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