I just checked and Israel's GDP per capital is the same as Canada's.
How bad can it be, some pockets of dysfunction notwithstanding?
"It will be the result of an attempt to build a common civilization in a gigantic displaced persons camp out of people with nothing much in common except they’re Jewish and they didn’t have anywhere else to go, in the centre of a warzone. "
By now they have a language and a hundred years or so of common history in common.
Violet fatalities make the news, but are quite low in number, even including 7/10.
It's a country/society with pros and cons, and some specific idiosyncrasies. It wouldn't be on my top 10 destinations to raise a family list, but to a first approximation at least, GDP tells a story of a rather prosperous society.
I haven't been to Uman (although I do want to visit), but your assessment of the demographics of attendees is inconsistent with other significant and anecdotal reports I've read/heard over the years. I don't know who's right, but I wanted to flag this.
My view is that while there are many different kinds of "Breslov," at a high level, its movement is unique within Judaism. It's not really a sect at this point, but a way to tap into a mindset that's appealing to many—in the same way that going to Burning Man is, or a silent meditation retreat, is for many in the West, or for me, going to a Phish concert.
As an extension of this, and relevant to your last point, I don't find it surprising to see Mizrahim gravitating towards Uman. In general, Mizrahi people have a much more fluid connection with Judaism (like, my Ashkenazi brain struggles to comprehend what it really means to follow/believe in "traditional Judaism") than most of the more dogmatic and clearly-identified Ashkenazi groups.
"My view is that while there are many different kinds of "Breslov," at a high level, its movement is unique within Judaism. It's not really a sect at this point, but a way to tap into a mindset that's appealing to many—in the same way that going to Burning Man is, or a silent meditation retreat, is for many in the West, or for me, going to a Phish concert."
It's that. but also a sect, or rather dozens. This is a very powerful combo.
I just have to ask, and I’m being serious, is there literally ANY good news to look towards at all? Any at all? Everything I read about the state of the Jewish community is just demoralizing.
I'm not Jewish but; the Haredi are basically the only high IQ group today with an impressive birth rate. Currently they don't seem to bothered about using their impressive craniums to do actually anything useful. But if they do ever develop an interest in the outside world and somehow both AGI and genetic engineering/embryo selection are busts they may end up ruling the 22nd century.
Holy crap, the last part of the article (starting from “Pro-Palestinian” all the way to the end) gave me the best laugh I’ve had in a while.
Can I still get a free subscription if my explanation for the video is “two hordes of crazy meet in the dungeon of insanity to do battle to determine, once and for all, who is the craziest of them all”?
It's weird to see a whole article about how Israel is so much browner and middle-easterner in contrast to the Ashkenazi places it's culture comes from, that doesn't mention the holocaust.
The reason why Israel is mostly brown and not Ashkanazi is that Germany and Poland killed more Ashkanazim then they exiled whereas middleeastern countries exiled more Jews than they killed.
That's it.
It has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is geographically in the middle east or anything like that.
Quite a different view…, however, in on of your last few paragraphs, you italicized “will be”, which so reminded me of G*D’s answer to R. Moshe, “I will be what I will be.”
Lol you share a quote from Hannah where it’s literally her describing the place as “it’s da Middle East east!” when describing everyone expect the imported German and Galician Jews
I don't really have anything against him. I just think it's obvious that the fact he thought Breslov teaching were very profound shows that they are problematic from a traditional Jewish standpoint.
"And did you see the stuff about the “angels” in Gaza and Iran? And how the masses reacted globally , whites, browns, all suddenly convinced we are living in a Marvel crossover episode?"
here is the full story of the 770 video
https://col.org.il/news/172034
You seem too pessimistic.
I just checked and Israel's GDP per capital is the same as Canada's.
How bad can it be, some pockets of dysfunction notwithstanding?
"It will be the result of an attempt to build a common civilization in a gigantic displaced persons camp out of people with nothing much in common except they’re Jewish and they didn’t have anywhere else to go, in the centre of a warzone. "
By now they have a language and a hundred years or so of common history in common.
Violet fatalities make the news, but are quite low in number, even including 7/10.
It's a country/society with pros and cons, and some specific idiosyncrasies. It wouldn't be on my top 10 destinations to raise a family list, but to a first approximation at least, GDP tells a story of a rather prosperous society.
I haven't been to Uman (although I do want to visit), but your assessment of the demographics of attendees is inconsistent with other significant and anecdotal reports I've read/heard over the years. I don't know who's right, but I wanted to flag this.
My view is that while there are many different kinds of "Breslov," at a high level, its movement is unique within Judaism. It's not really a sect at this point, but a way to tap into a mindset that's appealing to many—in the same way that going to Burning Man is, or a silent meditation retreat, is for many in the West, or for me, going to a Phish concert.
As an extension of this, and relevant to your last point, I don't find it surprising to see Mizrahim gravitating towards Uman. In general, Mizrahi people have a much more fluid connection with Judaism (like, my Ashkenazi brain struggles to comprehend what it really means to follow/believe in "traditional Judaism") than most of the more dogmatic and clearly-identified Ashkenazi groups.
"My view is that while there are many different kinds of "Breslov," at a high level, its movement is unique within Judaism. It's not really a sect at this point, but a way to tap into a mindset that's appealing to many—in the same way that going to Burning Man is, or a silent meditation retreat, is for many in the West, or for me, going to a Phish concert."
It's that. but also a sect, or rather dozens. This is a very powerful combo.
I just have to ask, and I’m being serious, is there literally ANY good news to look towards at all? Any at all? Everything I read about the state of the Jewish community is just demoralizing.
Having no hope that anything will improve is a classic Jewish feeling
A Franz Kafka once observed, "There is infinite hope, but not for us."
I'm not Jewish but; the Haredi are basically the only high IQ group today with an impressive birth rate. Currently they don't seem to bothered about using their impressive craniums to do actually anything useful. But if they do ever develop an interest in the outside world and somehow both AGI and genetic engineering/embryo selection are busts they may end up ruling the 22nd century.
Not in this mini substrata.
Holy crap, the last part of the article (starting from “Pro-Palestinian” all the way to the end) gave me the best laugh I’ve had in a while.
Can I still get a free subscription if my explanation for the video is “two hordes of crazy meet in the dungeon of insanity to do battle to determine, once and for all, who is the craziest of them all”?
No
Unfortunate
Anyway the matzav is very unfortunate with the breslev nonsense.
What sorts of Israelis are these?
https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1978579570333757891
Any idea if the ones in the vid the same as the guy posting it?
"The relationship between Chassidim and Sabbateans is a bit of a thorny issue that won’t overly detain us here." Please write more on this point.
It's weird to see a whole article about how Israel is so much browner and middle-easterner in contrast to the Ashkenazi places it's culture comes from, that doesn't mention the holocaust.
The reason why Israel is mostly brown and not Ashkanazi is that Germany and Poland killed more Ashkanazim then they exiled whereas middleeastern countries exiled more Jews than they killed.
That's it.
It has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is geographically in the middle east or anything like that.
The article isn't about that, it's about mutant Israeli culture.
You have correctly described an issue with Chasidus, yet you miss a much deeper Straussian point maybe I’ll write a full response.
Quite a different view…, however, in on of your last few paragraphs, you italicized “will be”, which so reminded me of G*D’s answer to R. Moshe, “I will be what I will be.”
Lol you share a quote from Hannah where it’s literally her describing the place as “it’s da Middle East east!” when describing everyone expect the imported German and Galician Jews
Maybe the only real solution to this problem is NonJudaism?
It’s very easy to see how other communities distorted fanatical principles in the name of religion.
But who says we haven’t done the same?
Who says many of the principles of the YESHIVA community aren’t extremely distorted ?
Regarding 770🙄
Shvartzes being shvartzes🤦🏾
If that's only the first invasion they've had of that sort I'd be amazed and what pathetic security they have.
They got lucky the homeboys didn't open up the cans of womp ass
Have those communities in New York endorsed Curtis Sliwa?
Beyond bizarre how he's been thrown under the bus, & NYC handed off without a fight.
I take it that you're not a fan of Buber.
I don't really have anything against him. I just think it's obvious that the fact he thought Breslov teaching were very profound shows that they are problematic from a traditional Jewish standpoint.
You just realized that now?
I guess i did
"And did you see the stuff about the “angels” in Gaza and Iran? And how the masses reacted globally , whites, browns, all suddenly convinced we are living in a Marvel crossover episode?"
Unfortunately, I did.
Can you link any of the stuff you refer to about “angels” for people who don’t follow this as closely and don’t read Hebrew?