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Ari's avatar

Agree with you on 1. But the crux of 3 and partially 2 is that you think the strategy was bad. If the strategy is bad, if war is ineffective, then its cruelty is barbaric. That's all fair, but also seems debatable, certainly given information at the time, and even now - Hamas is very weak, and will remain weak through attrition. That's a real achievement. Could that have been accomplished more effectively by letting the PA in? Probably. But it's much more gray than what you are saying.

"way, way beyond what is normal in contemporary warfare" this sounds convincing but is actually not useful. Which war? In which war has a western country fought where the military need is this high, and the enemy is this embedded with civilians? It's just not a convincing point, which is why NAZA is silly.

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Basically what's going on is that Jews are doing a speed run through 2 millenia of being goyim like all the other nations crammed into a few decades.

up until the 1990s the country was being run by golus jews with their liberal ideals and their hypersensitivity to not looking bad in front of the goyim (this even includes menachem begin) who believed that their long history as oppressed minorities devoted to torah and/or the enlightenment should/would innoculate their ethnostate from committing all the sins of every other nationalist project and acted accordingly, but gradually they have been replaced by native true born sabras shed of these pathetic inferiority complexes and also growing up in a society at more or less permanent war with one or more of its surrounding barbaric fanatic religious neighbors, so they naturaly became true blue card carrying members of THE MIDDLE EAST who think the solution to every atrocity is more atrocities in an ever more fruitless attempt to signal to the irrational enemy that they're even more committed to atrocities than the irrational enemy so the irrational enemy should act rationally and give up. anyone who criticizes this merely aids and abets the enemy either intentionally or as a useless idiot.

i see no obvious way to break this cycle - nobody's going to invade and occupy Israel, instead other countries will simply stop dealing with israel and the israelis who stay will be the most militant MIDDLE EAST types who will continue snarkily insisting that there are 0 negative consequences to an eternal military autarky and that the world really needs davka israeli high tech workers because the baltics can't possibly fill the void or mossad intelligence on what the houthis are doing

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