I think they are useful for most people, less useful for smart people, and not very useful for smart people with unusual cognitive profiles. HR are kind of famous for being good at identifying decent employees whilst annoying the most talented and creative employees.
Israel looks more or less what you would expect a country to look like i…
I think they are useful for most people, less useful for smart people, and not very useful for smart people with unusual cognitive profiles. HR are kind of famous for being good at identifying decent employees whilst annoying the most talented and creative employees.
Israel looks more or less what you would expect a country to look like if 1/3 of the population was like Japan and 2/3 like Turkey. A lot of cool tech and a lot of dysfunction and squalor. Future economic prospects depend on the ability of Ashkenazim to hold on to power.
Your point about whether Raven's progressive matrices is really measuring spatial ability is legitimate. I thought about it while writing the post, but I'm not really sure what to say about it.
Yes, and this is strong proof that it is the smart fraction, not average IQ, which determines national GDP. But there are lots of other indicators of average IQ where Israel does poorly, like having a postal service that works at the most basic level.
Where do you get average IQ data anyway? Garbage Lynn tables? Do you extract the g factor? Israel’s PISA performance is pushed down for non-g reasons, and in 2022 they did almost as well as the UK on the verbal section, Arabs and all.
That's not far off. Crem estimates ~97 with Ashkenazi ~110 and non-Ashkenazi Jews ~100. Arabs drag the average down a lot.
Among newborns it's going to be a bit higher. The Haredi Ashkenazi having lots of kids and driving up the average. Among Arabs you have the opposite trend, Bedouin have lots of kids and drive down the average.
I also suspect that even controlling for the Haredi thing, fertility among Israeli Jews is eugenic for IQ. In places like North Tel Aviv, having lots of kids is high status and a sign you are rich.
While non-Ashkenazi non-Ethiopian Jews in all of Israel average ~100, the ones in a town in the periphery in the Golan Heights likely average ~95. Hence, your lived experience. A friend from Haifa told me he thinks non-Ashkenazi IQ is >100, and I'm sure it is in his environment. Analogously to the white US/UK population, smarter ones live in TLV/Haifa just like with New York and London, and less smart ones live in some homogenous poor town in the periphery just like with the North of England or West Virginia.
They were 100s of times worse in Jerusalem. One of the reasons I like living in the Golan is that I don't experience daily feelings of racial hatred for people leaving their nappies in the corridor, walking around with unmuzzled pitbulls, and playing trance music at night.
Well in some ways Jerusalem is basically a development town in the periphery. If you go to TLV and its suburbs or to Haifa you will find a lot of smart Mizrahim. I'm sure Jerusalem has a bunch too, just they are not as loud or noticeable.
I think they are useful for most people, less useful for smart people, and not very useful for smart people with unusual cognitive profiles. HR are kind of famous for being good at identifying decent employees whilst annoying the most talented and creative employees.
Israel looks more or less what you would expect a country to look like if 1/3 of the population was like Japan and 2/3 like Turkey. A lot of cool tech and a lot of dysfunction and squalor. Future economic prospects depend on the ability of Ashkenazim to hold on to power.
Your point about whether Raven's progressive matrices is really measuring spatial ability is legitimate. I thought about it while writing the post, but I'm not really sure what to say about it.
Israel is richer than Japan
Yes, and this is strong proof that it is the smart fraction, not average IQ, which determines national GDP. But there are lots of other indicators of average IQ where Israel does poorly, like having a postal service that works at the most basic level.
I don’t doubt Israel’s average iq is lower than Japan. Ashkenazi 110 other Jews 100 Arabs 90
Where do you get average IQ data anyway? Garbage Lynn tables? Do you extract the g factor? Israel’s PISA performance is pushed down for non-g reasons, and in 2022 they did almost as well as the UK on the verbal section, Arabs and all.
I use Wikipedia. 96 average IQ tracks with my experience living here and as a teacher, so I see no reason to doubt it.
That's not far off. Crem estimates ~97 with Ashkenazi ~110 and non-Ashkenazi Jews ~100. Arabs drag the average down a lot.
Among newborns it's going to be a bit higher. The Haredi Ashkenazi having lots of kids and driving up the average. Among Arabs you have the opposite trend, Bedouin have lots of kids and drive down the average.
I also suspect that even controlling for the Haredi thing, fertility among Israeli Jews is eugenic for IQ. In places like North Tel Aviv, having lots of kids is high status and a sign you are rich.
While non-Ashkenazi non-Ethiopian Jews in all of Israel average ~100, the ones in a town in the periphery in the Golan Heights likely average ~95. Hence, your lived experience. A friend from Haifa told me he thinks non-Ashkenazi IQ is >100, and I'm sure it is in his environment. Analogously to the white US/UK population, smarter ones live in TLV/Haifa just like with New York and London, and less smart ones live in some homogenous poor town in the periphery just like with the North of England or West Virginia.
They were 100s of times worse in Jerusalem. One of the reasons I like living in the Golan is that I don't experience daily feelings of racial hatred for people leaving their nappies in the corridor, walking around with unmuzzled pitbulls, and playing trance music at night.
Well in some ways Jerusalem is basically a development town in the periphery. If you go to TLV and its suburbs or to Haifa you will find a lot of smart Mizrahim. I'm sure Jerusalem has a bunch too, just they are not as loud or noticeable.