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Hi Nonzionism, this was my original deleted comment that started the shitstorm in the comments section.

Mazal tov on the baby!

I was recently at a political philosophy program with many EHC non-Jews. When the conversation inevitably veered to israel, and some students had strong criticisms of israel, I felt all the nonzionism leave my body and became a hasbarist. How do you think non Zionists should interact with non-jews skeptical of Zionism and the war in Gaza? Is non Zionism too esoteric to actually function in discussions with non Jews? I fear telling an israel skeptical non-Jew that you are a “non-Zionist” will turn them into an anti-Zionist.

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>The Religious Zionists in the government are not per se running military strategy, but they are able to do two things. The first is to block any alternative military strategy in Gaza by threatening to bolt the coalition. The second is to push for ‘more’ or ‘stronger’ military action. In combination, this allows them to effectively drive policy by default, and the simplest explanation for their repeated statements that they are in the process of emptying out Gaza is that they believe they are successfully doing so.

The third thing they can do is prevent the government from letting them run wild in the West Bank or enforce the law against Dati Leumi people acting out for nationalist reasons. Dati Leumi cossacks can launch pogroms in West Bank villages without the army arresting a single perpetrator. Within Israel, Dati Leumi protestors can break into army bases to protect soldiers accused of rape, and can block aid trucks from crossing into Gaza, also all without a single arrest.

The fourth thing they can do is articulate government policy as clearing out Gaza for Jewish Settlement because Bibi has surrendered any ability to tell the world that Israel's policy is otherwise. In a normal functioning government, if a minister of the government, stated that the goal of the current operation was to ethnically cleanse Gaza and replace its residents with Jews, you would expect the Prime Minister to issue a forceful rejection of that policy and clearly articulate a contrary policy. You would also expect a censure of that minister, and some kind of threat to remove him from his post. (Imagine if Eliyahu had accused Israel of committing war crimes, chas v'chalilah.) Instead, it passes without comment. Ayyy, you might say that Eliyahu holds a BS cabinet post, a paper ministry, but the Prime Minister has long ignored similar comments of the Minister of Finance and the Minister of National Security. Not to mention he tolerates ministers of his own party, make equally bizarre pronouncements, e.g. that Israel should assassinate the Syrian head of state, or crow on Twitter about blowing up the Syrian Ministry of Defense on live Syrian TV. It's just a complete hefker velt, so long as nobody crosses the line of threatening Bibi's job or freedom.

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