Lots and lots of non-Jewish Russians with a distant family connection migrate to Israel. The "others" in Israel are a rather middling socioeconomic status group. Lots of poor Russians in development towns and so on. They do worse than the average Jewish Israeli on tests. Probably their IQ is at most 100 while Israeli Jews average above 1…
Lots and lots of non-Jewish Russians with a distant family connection migrate to Israel. The "others" in Israel are a rather middling socioeconomic status group. Lots of poor Russians in development towns and so on. They do worse than the average Jewish Israeli on tests. Probably their IQ is at most 100 while Israeli Jews average above 100.
Israeli immigration policy is that anyone who has a Jewish grandparent, their spouse, and their children can immigrate. You are Jewish if you converted or if you have a Jewish mother. A bunch of Orthodox converts migrated from Colombia. Let's not forget the time Israel flew in a bunch of Ethiopian Jews on overcrowded planes. Ethiopian Jews are racially the same as other North Ethiopians, with no detectable special Jewish ancestry. Yemenite Jews, like Yigal Amir who shot Rabin, look like normal Arabians, with no detectable Levantine ancestry.
What would the analogue for the US be? Anyone who is at least a quarter European by ancestry, their spouses, and their children? Let's also force them to practice Christianity. Oh, well then that would include Mexican Mestizos. Almost half European by ancestry and practice Christianity.
Israel is very very far from the ethnostate that some WNs imagines it is. This is not even discussing how Israel is 20% Arabs, how the Arab society has normal Arabs, Bedouins, Christians, Druze, how the Jewish majority has Ashkenazi, European Sephardic, Iraqis, mixed, other Mizrahim...
Ethiopians are what, 2% of the Israeli population? And what about the Columbians? Even less? And don't bring up the Arab population as if they just immigrated a few decades ago. They were there in 1948, and long before.
This is all obfuscation from the fact that Israel is very specific about who it lets in its country. The US and Europe are not today. You can be Indian, Chinese, African, etc, have any or no religion, and as long as you fill out the right form or sneak across the border you can stay.
I should also say that Israel has a TFR of 3.0 so it can afford to be more selective. If we had a TFR of 3.0, the cost-benefit analysis would be very different for us. The choice is not between millions of Hispanics migrants from Mexico and millions of migrants from Europe and millions of natural born White Americans.
Israel does let in anyone with a Jewish grandparent, their spouses, and children. It's fairly selective, but not *that* selective.
Yes, it's true that the Biden Southern border policy has been totally nuts. Letting in tons of illegals. I agree that's wrong. Anyway, Trump is about to become President.
The US immigration policy should be more like Israel's. Lots of immigration, but fairly selective.
I don't mean to obfuscate any differences between the US and Israeli immigration policy. Just that the US adopting an Israeli-style immigration policy would look less like what online white nationalists want and more like the 1980s and 1990s consensus, what classic Reagan-style Republicans and Bill Clinton style Democrats want.
It wouldn't look like the current Biden policy but wouldn't look like the white nationalist policy.
US net immigration per year is about .2-.3% of the population (800k to 1 million over the past decade or so). Israel's has been about half that around the same period. So net migration to Israel as of late has been much less than the US. Israel had their new frontier period from 1948 through the 1990's like we did here in the 19th century, and for differing reasons needed to bring in large numbers of people. We no longer need that large influx.
236K people over a decade to a population that is just hitting 10M and was 7.5M at the start of the decade. 2022 was a massive big year with triple normal immigration because of Russia and Ukraine.
*Net* immigration will be lower, as more people emigrate from Israel than from the US. But I think that's cheating.
The US probably does need substantial immigration, given our abysmal TFR. I certainly would prefer to get it from Europe, Israel, South Korea, Japan, etcetera rather than from Latin America. But having it from Latin America is better than nothing. We will have Japanese demographics soon otherwise...
Lots and lots of non-Jewish Russians with a distant family connection migrate to Israel. The "others" in Israel are a rather middling socioeconomic status group. Lots of poor Russians in development towns and so on. They do worse than the average Jewish Israeli on tests. Probably their IQ is at most 100 while Israeli Jews average above 100.
Israeli immigration policy is that anyone who has a Jewish grandparent, their spouse, and their children can immigrate. You are Jewish if you converted or if you have a Jewish mother. A bunch of Orthodox converts migrated from Colombia. Let's not forget the time Israel flew in a bunch of Ethiopian Jews on overcrowded planes. Ethiopian Jews are racially the same as other North Ethiopians, with no detectable special Jewish ancestry. Yemenite Jews, like Yigal Amir who shot Rabin, look like normal Arabians, with no detectable Levantine ancestry.
What would the analogue for the US be? Anyone who is at least a quarter European by ancestry, their spouses, and their children? Let's also force them to practice Christianity. Oh, well then that would include Mexican Mestizos. Almost half European by ancestry and practice Christianity.
Israel is very very far from the ethnostate that some WNs imagines it is. This is not even discussing how Israel is 20% Arabs, how the Arab society has normal Arabs, Bedouins, Christians, Druze, how the Jewish majority has Ashkenazi, European Sephardic, Iraqis, mixed, other Mizrahim...
Ethiopians are what, 2% of the Israeli population? And what about the Columbians? Even less? And don't bring up the Arab population as if they just immigrated a few decades ago. They were there in 1948, and long before.
This is all obfuscation from the fact that Israel is very specific about who it lets in its country. The US and Europe are not today. You can be Indian, Chinese, African, etc, have any or no religion, and as long as you fill out the right form or sneak across the border you can stay.
I should also say that Israel has a TFR of 3.0 so it can afford to be more selective. If we had a TFR of 3.0, the cost-benefit analysis would be very different for us. The choice is not between millions of Hispanics migrants from Mexico and millions of migrants from Europe and millions of natural born White Americans.
Right, so we should have very little immigration until our birthrates can maintain the current culture.
Israel does let in anyone with a Jewish grandparent, their spouses, and children. It's fairly selective, but not *that* selective.
Yes, it's true that the Biden Southern border policy has been totally nuts. Letting in tons of illegals. I agree that's wrong. Anyway, Trump is about to become President.
The US immigration policy should be more like Israel's. Lots of immigration, but fairly selective.
I don't mean to obfuscate any differences between the US and Israeli immigration policy. Just that the US adopting an Israeli-style immigration policy would look less like what online white nationalists want and more like the 1980s and 1990s consensus, what classic Reagan-style Republicans and Bill Clinton style Democrats want.
It wouldn't look like the current Biden policy but wouldn't look like the white nationalist policy.
US net immigration per year is about .2-.3% of the population (800k to 1 million over the past decade or so). Israel's has been about half that around the same period. So net migration to Israel as of late has been much less than the US. Israel had their new frontier period from 1948 through the 1990's like we did here in the 19th century, and for differing reasons needed to bring in large numbers of people. We no longer need that large influx.
Ehh fairly similar in Israel, probably more than .3% of the population immigrating per year in a typical year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah#Statistics
236K people over a decade to a population that is just hitting 10M and was 7.5M at the start of the decade. 2022 was a massive big year with triple normal immigration because of Russia and Ukraine.
*Net* immigration will be lower, as more people emigrate from Israel than from the US. But I think that's cheating.
The US probably does need substantial immigration, given our abysmal TFR. I certainly would prefer to get it from Europe, Israel, South Korea, Japan, etcetera rather than from Latin America. But having it from Latin America is better than nothing. We will have Japanese demographics soon otherwise...