This is a very strange argument. You’re citing the Safed pogrom as an argument against Zionism, when what it shows is before Zionism Jews were at the mercy of anyone who wanted to massacre them whenever they wanted, but now because of Zionism minority groups like the Druze respect them and don’t kill them?
Are you sure you didn’t mean to title this “anti Zionism turns your brain into mush?”
Israeli Druze are just as oblivious about these events as every other Zionist Jew. There's a vested interest for the Israeli state to keep the Safed pogroms under wraps because it ruins the "blood pact" narrative that the Druze and Jews apparently have. It's easier to excuse not giving equal civil rights to your most loyal minority group when you redefine their loyalty to be as a result of a "blood pact" between two unrelated ethnoreligious groups, than as a civil contract between state and citizens who do their military duty.
Well as far as individual rights go on paper none are withheld as far as I know, but collective rights they're treated the same as other Israeli Arabs who don't serve, so no right for self determination, no agenda to further Druze settlement and expansion, no policies to encourage childbirth, lack of funding to Druze local councils, passing of laws that lopsidedly target Arabs as well as Druze.
When the Druze protest they're given either empty promises or the "I thoght we were blood brothers" treatment, where they're viewed with suspicion and made to feel like they have to prove their loyalty again, as is the case with the June 2023 protests over the installation of wind turbines in Druze agricultural areas.
Just going to casually skip over these two lines huh?
1) Tlaib: "And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right?"
2) "The Druze of the Galilee themselves, profiting from a weakness of control over their area, rose in revolt in the spring[7] and were joined by a mass uprising by the fellahin, who resented local Jewish collaboration with the Egyptians."
Commendations for adding to my knowledge regarding the druse and their teachings.
🤔5786 humanity be less so very utterly and thoroughly deranged about us.
If only there wasn't Israel right?
This Zionist States 57 Islamic States are excessive redundant and anti-civilizational.
Since Arabic originates in Arabia how can there be a justification for 24 Arabian countries all kvetching about the one Hebrew speaking one that is written of in their Quran as the Homeland for the Jews.
Reparations for Jewish civilization from Islam and eventually Christendom include oodles of legitimate property claims existing in dozens of Arab countries including land purchases in Syria and Lebanon that make a natural greater Israel more plausible than ever more.
Jewish law and justice emanating from Israel and its third millennium will become normative as Zionism is embraced as the only antidote for the anti-civilizational palestinianism or else Islam and The barbarians win and life under Kamala resumes downward forevermore with eurabia being illustrative of the West's future unless the barbarians are stopped and sent back to their homelands
because speaking arabic means you're the same people?
I guess there is no justification for England staying english with all the english speaking countries especially in the US. They should leave the whole island to the welsh. Or in reverse.
Is there a welshism seeking Homeland and recognition of indigeneity/ restoration by them?
24 Christian countries have been replaced by Muslim countries in the last century so I've been told
Civilization cannot move forward if Islam continues to manifest its barbarian ways as it does wherever it interacts with whoever it interacts with as the religion of peace.com illustrates with thousands of attacks a month.
Decentralized Islam Rico act, monopolization of bad ideas institutional misogyny and human rights abuses come up it's the only way forward look how it's colonized Europe with Anglican priests washing the feet of the migrants and the pope going to Constantinople in 2006 to pray in the direction of Mecca in the hagia Sophia and Merkel spreading Germany's legs wide for the migrants bring them all in, as far as civilizational representation goes Christendom has done a shitshow on civilization in recent years over there and here in America, imagine if she had won?
I guess you'd say that the Jews returning to the Land of Israel after the Babylonian Exile were idiots considering that they pissed off the local population...
According to Chat GPT is was the Muslims not the Druze who were the perpetrators of the 1834 Safed pogrom. To copy and paste some of what they say: Because Druze were prominent in other rebellions nearby, some historians or editors mistakenly labeled the Safed attackers as Druze, even though eyewitness reports and contemporaneous accounts identify them as Muslim peasants (fellahin). Original Arabic or Ottoman records mention the attackers as Muslim villagers, but in translation or later summaries, “Druze” sometimes appears erroneously. The overwhelming historical evidence (from travelogues, Jewish community records, and Egyptian reports) indicates that the rioters who attacked Safed in 1834 were Muslim Arabs, not Druze.
Ignoring your low IQ worship of Chat GPT as the fountain of infinite knowledge, in 1834 specifically, it was both Druze and Muslims as non-zionism mentions. Keep in mind, foreigners would often refer to both of them as "Arabs" without distinguishing religion.
In my experience this is exactly the kind of case where Chat GPT just makes stuff up. However, I am open to the possibility that unlike the 1838 massacres this was more a fellahin than a Druze thing. It's just that this goes to show that the fact that one group became our besties and the other became our most hated enemy shows that this isn't about innate characteristics or ancient rivalries.
I'd say you described it well with this quote: "So basically, it was Druze and Muslim peasants attacking Jews and Christians who were loyal to the Egyptian regime."
But not that the Maronites have always been chummy with the Jews -- native Christian elites were important in spreading European antisemitic memes such as the blood libel to the masses of the Middle East in the 19th century.
When you refer to native Christian elites are you referring to the urbanised, Arabic speaking Greek Orthodox population in the towns.(These are the people that historically had an outsized influence in Arab nationalist movements.) or groups like the Maronites and Assyrians who were rural populations that were more tepid on Pan Arab nationalism.
Maronites included. These 19th century colonial interactions predated Arab nationalism and the issue of Zionism. Maronites and the French had particularly close colonial relations due to their shared Catholic heritage.
As far as the Egyptians are concerned many Arab nationalists saw Mohammed Ali as a lost chance to become a great power. Of course Ali, being an Albanian governor in Ottoman employ never identified with the Egyptian felaheen who probably didn't see themselves as Arabs at the time.
In fact Ali originally wanted to use a Sudanese slave army but switched to the Egyptian peasantry after that plan fell through.
This is a very strange argument. You’re citing the Safed pogrom as an argument against Zionism, when what it shows is before Zionism Jews were at the mercy of anyone who wanted to massacre them whenever they wanted, but now because of Zionism minority groups like the Druze respect them and don’t kill them?
Are you sure you didn’t mean to title this “anti Zionism turns your brain into mush?”
It's forbidden for me to have mercy on you, sorry.
Hilarious. And forbidden to have mercy on you and your reality-defying arguments. LOL.
Have you considered just not doing things that make people want to massacre you?
I think that’s called “blaming the victim.”
It is possible the victim is to blame
^ and that’s why most Jews reject anti Zionism, folks.
So what?
Yes, the situation is precisely analogous to domestic violence accusations
What if just existing makes people want to massacre you?
"before Zionism Jews were at the mercy of anyone who wanted to massacre them"
What group of people isn't?
those with powerful states or military power. Sure, they had some* risk, but much less than ze Jews.
Israeli Druze are just as oblivious about these events as every other Zionist Jew. There's a vested interest for the Israeli state to keep the Safed pogroms under wraps because it ruins the "blood pact" narrative that the Druze and Jews apparently have. It's easier to excuse not giving equal civil rights to your most loyal minority group when you redefine their loyalty to be as a result of a "blood pact" between two unrelated ethnoreligious groups, than as a civil contract between state and citizens who do their military duty.
What civil rights are withheld from them if they are in the boundary of Israel proper or have come over since the Syrian drama?
Well as far as individual rights go on paper none are withheld as far as I know, but collective rights they're treated the same as other Israeli Arabs who don't serve, so no right for self determination, no agenda to further Druze settlement and expansion, no policies to encourage childbirth, lack of funding to Druze local councils, passing of laws that lopsidedly target Arabs as well as Druze.
When the Druze protest they're given either empty promises or the "I thoght we were blood brothers" treatment, where they're viewed with suspicion and made to feel like they have to prove their loyalty again, as is the case with the June 2023 protests over the installation of wind turbines in Druze agricultural areas.
Just going to casually skip over these two lines huh?
1) Tlaib: "And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right?"
2) "The Druze of the Galilee themselves, profiting from a weakness of control over their area, rose in revolt in the spring[7] and were joined by a mass uprising by the fellahin, who resented local Jewish collaboration with the Egyptians."
It is possible to provide something against your consent.
Kvetching for shekels continues unabated💨
Commendations for adding to my knowledge regarding the druse and their teachings.
🤔5786 humanity be less so very utterly and thoroughly deranged about us.
If only there wasn't Israel right?
This Zionist States 57 Islamic States are excessive redundant and anti-civilizational.
Since Arabic originates in Arabia how can there be a justification for 24 Arabian countries all kvetching about the one Hebrew speaking one that is written of in their Quran as the Homeland for the Jews.
Reparations for Jewish civilization from Islam and eventually Christendom include oodles of legitimate property claims existing in dozens of Arab countries including land purchases in Syria and Lebanon that make a natural greater Israel more plausible than ever more.
Jewish law and justice emanating from Israel and its third millennium will become normative as Zionism is embraced as the only antidote for the anti-civilizational palestinianism or else Islam and The barbarians win and life under Kamala resumes downward forevermore with eurabia being illustrative of the West's future unless the barbarians are stopped and sent back to their homelands
Zionism is this century's greatest accomplishment
🕊️🇮🇱🕊️🇮🇱🕊️🇮🇱🕊️🇮🇱🕊️
because speaking arabic means you're the same people?
I guess there is no justification for England staying english with all the english speaking countries especially in the US. They should leave the whole island to the welsh. Or in reverse.
Is there a welshism seeking Homeland and recognition of indigeneity/ restoration by them?
24 Christian countries have been replaced by Muslim countries in the last century so I've been told
Civilization cannot move forward if Islam continues to manifest its barbarian ways as it does wherever it interacts with whoever it interacts with as the religion of peace.com illustrates with thousands of attacks a month.
Decentralized Islam Rico act, monopolization of bad ideas institutional misogyny and human rights abuses come up it's the only way forward look how it's colonized Europe with Anglican priests washing the feet of the migrants and the pope going to Constantinople in 2006 to pray in the direction of Mecca in the hagia Sophia and Merkel spreading Germany's legs wide for the migrants bring them all in, as far as civilizational representation goes Christendom has done a shitshow on civilization in recent years over there and here in America, imagine if she had won?
Yes there is.
What a disgusting rant. Is that what you call "civilization"?
Tbh anti-zionist AI erotica lit sounds like a more effective substack strategy
Out of interest, what % of your subscribers do you think despise your politics?
25%
I guess you'd say that the Jews returning to the Land of Israel after the Babylonian Exile were idiots considering that they pissed off the local population...
Says the ethno-narcissist, physically incapable of self-reflection
According to Chat GPT is was the Muslims not the Druze who were the perpetrators of the 1834 Safed pogrom. To copy and paste some of what they say: Because Druze were prominent in other rebellions nearby, some historians or editors mistakenly labeled the Safed attackers as Druze, even though eyewitness reports and contemporaneous accounts identify them as Muslim peasants (fellahin). Original Arabic or Ottoman records mention the attackers as Muslim villagers, but in translation or later summaries, “Druze” sometimes appears erroneously. The overwhelming historical evidence (from travelogues, Jewish community records, and Egyptian reports) indicates that the rioters who attacked Safed in 1834 were Muslim Arabs, not Druze.
Ignoring your low IQ worship of Chat GPT as the fountain of infinite knowledge, in 1834 specifically, it was both Druze and Muslims as non-zionism mentions. Keep in mind, foreigners would often refer to both of them as "Arabs" without distinguishing religion.
In my experience this is exactly the kind of case where Chat GPT just makes stuff up. However, I am open to the possibility that unlike the 1838 massacres this was more a fellahin than a Druze thing. It's just that this goes to show that the fact that one group became our besties and the other became our most hated enemy shows that this isn't about innate characteristics or ancient rivalries.
I'd say you described it well with this quote: "So basically, it was Druze and Muslim peasants attacking Jews and Christians who were loyal to the Egyptian regime."
I'm sure you know this too, but the Druze also had a penchant for committing brutal massacres on the Maronites: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_civil_conflict_in_Mount_Lebanon_and_Damascus
But not that the Maronites have always been chummy with the Jews -- native Christian elites were important in spreading European antisemitic memes such as the blood libel to the masses of the Middle East in the 19th century.
When you refer to native Christian elites are you referring to the urbanised, Arabic speaking Greek Orthodox population in the towns.(These are the people that historically had an outsized influence in Arab nationalist movements.) or groups like the Maronites and Assyrians who were rural populations that were more tepid on Pan Arab nationalism.
Maronites included. These 19th century colonial interactions predated Arab nationalism and the issue of Zionism. Maronites and the French had particularly close colonial relations due to their shared Catholic heritage.
Yeah all lies.
As far as the Egyptians are concerned many Arab nationalists saw Mohammed Ali as a lost chance to become a great power. Of course Ali, being an Albanian governor in Ottoman employ never identified with the Egyptian felaheen who probably didn't see themselves as Arabs at the time.
In fact Ali originally wanted to use a Sudanese slave army but switched to the Egyptian peasantry after that plan fell through.
Tlaib doesn't say it but it's been a common internet cliche for a while.